As I sloshed through the internet last night, I came across an article on CNSnews.com The headline, “White House Doesn’t Know If Obama Will Attend Church on Christmas”, had me shrugging my shoulders.
Who the hell cares if Obama will go to church on Christmas?
This man is responsible for running our country–which I might add is on the brink of utter collapse–and his Christmas habits are of issue?
He’s a bit busy–> We shouldn’t hold missing “Sunday services” against him.
I confused about how going to church on Sunday will positively contribute to the president accomplishing his goals for America. Is it a surprise that an intelligent black man is running to God because that’s what everybody else is doing?
President Obama’s chief role model, Abraham Lincoln didn’t go to church on a regular basis. It’s
no secret that Lincoln abhorred attending church–though he did desire a relationship with God. In fact, when he was running for election, he was often referred to as an atheist for refusing to have a church home and attend regularly. Is top political adviser told Lincoln that he risked losing the election as a result of his lack of religious zeal. And yet Lincoln invoked God and his divine plan repeatedly during his life; you can want a relationship with God that doesn’t include organized religion.
Obama is like Lincoln in many respects, including his religious “devotion.”
And yet, my lovely little find of an article made no qualms about their true goal, which was to throw another layer of hate toward those listeners whose mind is already convinced of Mr. Obama’s “evilness.” Fred Lucas’ article invoked the toxic Rev. Wright, President Obama’s former pastor, spending more than half the article recanting Rev. Wrights stupidity(and of course, they also did NOT discuss the presidents rebuttal of Wright’s tragic lingo).
Lucas also gave the article a nice taste of Carey Cash, the chaplain at Camp David. But jow EITHER of these two gentlemen fit into President Obama’s decision to go to church on Christmas is completely irrelevant. Apparently, Lucas thinks that his audience isn’t smart enough to spot a red herring when they see one.
I could care less whether President Obama and his family attends church on Christmas, any more than I care if he fasts during Ramadan; none of this is a determining factor of whether or not he will be a productive, efficient and smart leader.
We know that there are people who go to church on a regular basis, but are not affected by the beauty found in congregating with like-minded people. There are individuals as well who rarely attend church, yet they have a devotion for Christ that basks in a warm glow. We see God (the good, kind one, that is) in all their actions and motivations–yet church they disdain.
Going to church doesn’t make you a “good Christian.” Christianity, like all faiths, is supposed to help you create a relationship with the maker, if that’s your belief. But really that’s it. It doesn’t “mean” anything other than our president has a relationship with God that doesn’t require a church to validate.
Isn’t that a good thing?
The Secular Parent 
It is important that Obama attend church on Christmas eve to show that the arrogant stumbler believes in something higher than Obama.
Right on, girl!
Who cares if Obama attends the church or not. What matters is is his god going to have favors on him or not.
god and church are not the same. Church is a perversion. God is an abomination in my opinion.
half a dozen one way and six the other.
The question is what is Obama doing to help the country out of economic crisis.
What he and Michelle do in the privacy of their bedroom and their brains is their business as long as they do the “secular” work of governming the country according to the secular constitution I can care less if he goes to church or not.
Its his war now,
That’s a bigoted comment. Nonbelief is not arrogance nor does it mean not believing in anything higher than yourself. It may mean not believing in anything supernatural, but there is plenty in the natural world bigger than any one individual – such as the good of humankind. Also, there’s nothing about Christianity that can stop a person from being arrogant and selfish if that is who they are – morals exist in spite of religion, not because of it. You can only judge a person by their actions, not their beliefs.
Secular Parent – I think you also should have added – what if they are right and Obama is a closet atheist after all? So what? He can still be a good person and a good president and anyone who doesn’t think so (absent any disagreement on actual POLICY) is a bigot by definition.
Iggy asked a good question, “what is Obama doing to help the country out of ecnomic crisis?”
And I don’t think continuing to wars while adding trillions to the national debt is goint to do it.
(And Lynne, what do you know about bigotry? Your sweeping comments about believers, and Iggy’s for that matter, (on that “other blog” are well known.)
Secular Parent, I agree that it really needn’t matter to us whether our President attends church or not. And I agree with Lynne that it doesn’t matter if he’s a closet Atheist, either.
About the belief in something higher than ourselves — I agree with Lynne that, whether religious or not, a person can still come to the realization that it’s not “all about me.”
Actually, some religious leaders, especially cult leaders, can become dangerously self-centered and controlling. This is one reason why I think it’s dangerous the way that some religious groups promote the teachings of leaders like Bill Gothard.
Gothard believes in the importance of everyone staying in his or her place in the hierarchy. In families, Gothard says it goes God-husband-wife-children (some groups also put pastor between God and husband).
And, supposedly, God blesses you for staying in your place and submitting to your human authorities (so long as they’re not telling you to do something illegal like rob a bank)… He blesses you for following your authorities EVEN WHEN THEY ARE WRONG.
Teachings like this are scary because it gives people high up in the hierarchies such power over others. Even when the leaders are clearly wrong, the followers are encouraged to keep following because the leaders are accountable to God, and followers are supposed to see this as a test of their faith.
I recently read one woman commenting that she feels like she’s being told to jump off a cliff, and is getting criticized for her hesitation to take a leap of faith which feels all wrong to her. This kind of stuff makes me very sad.
Susan, You should remind her of the holocaust and the fact that there were some German families who defied the Nazis by hiding Jewish people in their homes. Or tell her to rent Schindler’s List. Or tell her about Milgram’s experiment on obedience (See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment). There are so many examples of why blind obedience is a bad idea, you could write a multi-volume encyclopedia and yet people still don’t get it!
Lynne, what about the fact that someone like your buddy Iggy, who LEFT a country that had been Officially Atheistic for 70 years, CONTINUES to use the tactics that government relied on?
You know, insult, ridicule, intimidation, threats to call the police about posts he does not like (although he has apparently realized that is pointless in this country…in his country that may have worked, though, and I think HE REALLY BELEIVED the police would help him here in matters of that kind) and continual misrepresentation.
YOU KNOW what I mean Lynne, his sweeping comment about “Christians” just like you and Susan make.
Its BIGOTRY Lynne, and you are utterly incapable of seeing it in yourself.